Ireland “needs hate crime laws”

We must never forget that Muslim victims of crime suffer far more than normal Irish people of the same crimes, and therefore need special treatment.

From Irish Times

There is an urgent need for for hate-crime legislation in Ireland, a Muslim leader has said.

“The Irish infidels must not be allowed to resist their ongoing genocide.”

Dr Ali Selim, of the Clonskeagh mosque in Dublin,

It always seems to be this prick. Every single time I hear about a leading Muslim in Ireland demanding something, it always seems to be him.

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He always seems to be crying over something.

said Ireland was “almost unique” among EU countries in not having such laws which “would enable gardaí pursue hate-criminals with the fullest rigour and bring them to justice”.

Surely if someone commits an actual crime, the Gardaí can pursue them just fine under existing laws. Why do we need specific laws against “hate”? Is feeling the emotion of hatred somehow a crime in itself now?

He was speaking after a recent attack on Muslims in Dublin.

This goes back to my previous point. Assault is already illegal. Why should it matter that the victims were Muslims? Do Muslims occupy a higher position on the victimhood hierarchy, which means that a random assault on them is somehow worse than an assault on an indigenous Irish person? One minute, we’re all equal, but the next minute, we’re not all equal, and certain groups need special treatment.

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In current Western societies, everyone who isn’t a member of the majority group is “more equal”.

Brothers Naqeeb Ahmadzai (18) and Fazalrahman Ahmadzai (20), along with their nephew Abdul (13), were punched, kicked and beaten unconscious by four men as they were cycling home from Marlay Park in Rathfarnham last week.

A crime which I fully condemn. I do feel sympathy for the victims. However it isn’t any more, or any less terrible, than if they had been three white Irish lads instead. In either case, it’s a group of innocent people being attacked by a bunch of scumbags. These scumbags don’t need a reason to cause trouble like this. They just do it. The end result and the suffering of the victims is the same, so the punishment for the crime should therefore be the same.

It is understood gardaí have detained two men in connection with the incident.

So the existing system works then?

Dr Selim said a Muslim man had recently been attacked in Dublin’s Thomas Street while a group of men had “brutally beaten” another Muslim man who was making a delivery in a Dublin suburb.

Again, I condemn these crimes, but if we’re going to play this game of cherry picking random crimes that fit our narrative, to talk about, then why don’t we look at the number of crimes that Muslims have committed against European people, weigh them up against the crimes that European people have committed against Muslims, adjust for population size, and find out which group is committing the most crimes against the other, proportionally speaking. I don’t have a complete set of data for this, but from looking at muslimstatistics.wordpress.com, the data I have seen  [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] suggests that they commit far more crimes per capita than the indigenous populations do.

He was aware that the great majority of the Irish people were totally opposed to such attacks and praised gardaí for the speed with which they had dealt with the Rathfarnham incident.

Nothing to add here. Of course the majority of us are opposed to these attacks, as we would be opposed to attacks against ANY innocent people like this.

Fear and hatred

Speaking at a meeting of The Three Faiths Forum (which represents Jews, Christians, and Muslims) in Dublin’s Mansion House on Tuesday, he said there were some who stoked up fear and hatred towards Muslims in Ireland.

It might have something to do with seeing the effects that mass Muslim immigration is having on Europe, in terms of terrorism and sexual assaults. Pattern recognition is something quite natural, and when we notice a scary pattern, it is natural for us to develop a fear and hatred of things that we associate with that pattern. Instead of condemning us for our perfectly justifiable fears, why not make a more visible effort in condemning the Muslim terrorists, rapists, and other kinds of criminals, who are giving your religion a bad name? Maybe then, we might trust you more.

Referring in particular to those who acused Muslims “of not integrating and forming their own ghettos”, he said they were “stigmatising Irish people.”

He pointed out that “more than two thirds of the Muslim population in Ireland” were Irish “by birth or naturalistion”.

You may have Irish citizenship, but we Irish are a distinct and unique ethnic group, as distinct and unique as any other ethnic group on the planet. Inhabiting the island of Ireland does not make you Irish.

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If this guy said he was born in China, would you consider him to be Chinese?
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If this man said he was born in Ethiopia, would you consider him Ethiopian?
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If this man said he was born in India, would you consider him Indian?
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So if this man is born in Ireland, but has no connection to Irish culture or history, why would he be considered Irish?

Look, I’m not saying that Muslims (or any other minority group for that matter) should be treated as inferior to Irish people in Ireland. I’m just making a point that ethnicity and geographical location, are not the same thing. In the USA for example, there are millions of people whose families have lived there for generations, but who still identify with, and take pride in their Irish ethnic background. These people feel a closer connection to Irish culture and history than non-Irish ethnic groups who are actually living in Ireland. Other ethnic groups in America such as Italians, Polish, Mexicans etc, are exactly the same. All over Europe, Jews throughout history have identified as a nation, with closer bonds to Jews in other countries, than with the majority group in their host nation. Ethnicity is important and citizenship is not the same thing.

 

Extremism was “not the exclusive practice of a certain group.

No it’s not exclusive to any one group, but it sure seems to be more common in one, than in others.

Stereotyping is a form of oppression,” he said, and that “to stigmatise every Muslim for a crime perpetrated by a Muslim is just like stigmatising every Christian for a crime perpetrated by a Christian. It is not fair and it is absurd.”

It’s funny because I don’t see the same complaints being made when every single German person is made to carry the guilt of the Holocaust, or when  every single white person in America is blamed for enslaving the blacks (even though there were black slave owners too). I do agree that it’s wrong to hold an entire group collectively responsible for the crimes of others within that group, but as I already pointed out above, there is a disproportionate amount of crimes committed by Muslims so there is more reason to fear them, than to fear other groups.

He emphasised that “the resurgence of intolerance and discrimination against Muslims after September 11th (2001 attacks in New York)…had no serious impact on Muslims living in Ireland.”

Irish people had “expressed their solidarity with Muslims in Ireland. Some visited the Islamic centre and handed over letters of solidarity.”

All “passed one message: ‘This is not you. We are with you.’ It is said a friend in need is a friend indeed. From our side, we were the first people in Ireland to condemn 9/11,” he said.

Well we are a very tolerant people. Too tolerant for our own good really. In fact we’re so tolerant, that I’m not sure what he’s even complaining about.

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